[Gaz]

Here's a question. What did bad wolf ever mean? Did the phrase "bad wolf" actually have any connection to anything/anyone at all? I know it's purpose in the series, but why that phrase - why not "jellybabies"? Was it just some deus ex that RTD forgot to ever actually explain or hook into anything?

For all Stephen Moffat's grand arc storylines, at least he doesn't have weird dead-ends floating around like that.

[PJ Wopunga (GA)]

According to a Doctor Who wiki there is an answer. I didn't know either until I read this.

http://tardis.wikia....lf_%28entity%29

[Gaz]

That explanation smacks of some fanboy trying to join up dots that aren't even there!

[PJ Wopunga (GA)]

Probably, but I find that wiki is usually quite good with stuff like that. If I could be bothered I'd do a more in-depth google search for you

[Gaz]

Blimey, that was a bit spooky! There'll be a few freaked out kids tonight

[Joinee Simitebrong]

That was much more like it! I'm a fan of Daniel Mays too (anyone watch 'Plus One' a few years back?)

Creepy, adventurous, some moments of fun and weird freaky children

[Joinee Simitebrong]

The Girl Who Waited

Anyone else think this was naval-gazing, indulgent drivel that completely wasted another episode of this series? I was desperately bored of it after 15 minutes.

As bad as Let's Kill Hitler. And the pirate episode. Gutted there's been 3 rubbish shows in this series, 2 was forgivable but 3 is pushing it.

Still, next week's look like it should be another top one!

[PJ Stevie G]

Joinee Simitebrong, on 10 September 2011 - 07:07 PM, said:

The Girl Who Waited

Anyone else think this was naval-gazing, indulgent drivel that completely wasted another episode of this series? I was desperately bored of it after 15 minutes.

As bad as Let's Kill Hitler. And the pirate episode. Gutted there's been 3 rubbish shows in this series, 2 was forgivable but 3 is pushing it.

Still, next week's look like it should be another top one!

On the contrary, I though it was absolutely brilliant, very close to The Doctor's Wife in quality, though not quite (that episode is one of New-Who's best).

[Mr Phil]

I quite liked it but it dragged a bit in the middle.

[HJCotW Spacemonkey]

Seriously? There's people Who (geddit?) thought that was dull?

It was superb storytelling, made complete sense both within itself, and the greater context of the relationships set up by the last couple of seasons, and also allowed yet more insight into Amy and Rory's relationship, which is always a treat.

I agree with Gaz, it's one of the best episodes of Nu-Who, which looked awesome from the preview, and lived up to itself.

Also, even old Amy is awesome hot.

MoT
HJCotW

[Gaz]

Well my post was from the other week about Night Terrors, but I liked last night's too. In particular the fact that it reminded us that the Doctor makes choices that kill people all the time, and that he's actually quite a dark person.

Also, having the robots repeat "this is a kindness" was a nice touch given how it ended. Though my favourite new Who episode is still Vincent and The Doctor, so I clearly go for the human angle ones...

[HJCotW Spacemonkey]

Yeah, I didn't mean Gaz, I meant Stevie. Drat.

Vincent is my favourite episode of the new run too. I had many things in my eye for that one.

MoT
HJCotW

[Gaz]

On a tangent, It's been more or less confirmed that Matt Smith is staying on for at least 2 more years, which takes us to 2013 and the 50th anniversary. They've already hinted a lot that there'll be some sort of multi-doctor episode. However, some of them are a bit too dead or a bit too old and fat (C. Baker) to play themselves anymore and will need recasting. So who would you have

11 (incumbent) - Matt Smith
10 - David Tennant
9 - Christopher Eccleston
8 - Paul McGann
7 - Sylvester McCoy (how is he not any older???)
6 - Samuel West (Colin Baker - who seems to have aged for himself and Sylvester McCoy - looks older than Tom Baker now, so he's no good!)
5 - Peter Davison (can pull it off with a bit of make-up)
4 - Tom Baker (just needs a wig - has always had a face like a manic bulldog anyway) or, if he declines, Benedict Cumberbatch (assuming they don't line him up to play Doctor no. 12)
3 - Sean Pertwee (looks enough like his dad to pull it off)
2 - Martin Freeman (bit of a push, but can't think of anyone who looks more like Patrick Troughton)
1 - Bill Nighy (bit of flour in his hair and Bill Hartnell could be back from the grave!)

Any other suggestions?

[Captain K]

Good list. Although I suspect Colin Baker would complain bitterly. If Peter Davidson has become too old and/or fat, how about Nicholas Lyndhurst for him?

I thought I'd say something nice about that, because I have nothing nice to say about the latest episode except maybe about Amy's ageing make-up. Dull dull dull plus a missed opportunity to remind everyone a bit more of how long Rory had to wait when he was being a Centurion.

[Gaz]

Thing is, Peter Davison still looks like the same person. Colin Baker looks like someone else entirely!

[Joinee Simitebrong]

Captain K, on 12 September 2011 - 05:37 PM, said:

I thought I'd say something nice about that, because I have nothing nice to say about the latest episode except maybe about Amy's ageing make-up. Dull dull dull plus a missed opportunity to remind everyone a bit more of how long Rory had to wait when he was being a Centurion.

oh good, it wasn't just me then

[HJCotW Spacemonkey]

Just so we're all aware, there is no 'opinion' on this one. Anyone who didn't enjoy The Girl Who Waited is wrong. Utterly wrong, and no longer entitled to discuss Doctor Who.

MoT
HJCotW

[joinee coolio]

I've just watched Saturday's episode and thought it was beautiful! Quite a few tears, I must admit. Really enjoyed it. Much better than the previous two episodes in my opinion.

[Hebba Homemaker]

I liked the idea of hell hotel, but I have to say this series really has been a disappointment - why would Amy and Rory want to continue to travel and sightsee with the Dr when he should be looking for their daughter!? As laura says somewhere above, I have faith it will all come together in the end but at the moment it really feels like they are trying to shoehorn a big story into not very good little stories... whicih is incredibly sad given the hope that Steven Moffat taking over brought to me at least. I was annoyed with Hitler and random Melody who has never been seen or even mentioned in the past, I think they wasted the potential for scary dollshouse of doom, hell hotel needed to be a bit more hellish and I'm pretty convinced I've missed another one in there which was entirely forgettable.

The only saving grace so far has been the girl who waited but even that felt very rehashed as they have already done the waiting thing no less than 4 times by my count.

I keep hoping and praying with each episode it will get better but I fear it may have peaked already.

[Poohbah (Gsq)]

The Hell Hotel seemed like a mixture of the House of Leaves and Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, did it not?

[Mr Phil]

I liked it. So ner.

[Joinee McD]

I've been pretty disappointed with this series so far and am finding it pretty forgettable.

Night Terrors I thought was hugely unoriginal and very dull.

The Girl Who Waited was better, but I'm really surprised at how much some people here seem to have liked it. There were some utterly ridiculous bits in there and it was overly sentimental to the point of being cringeworthy.

The Hell Hotel I thought was a massive missed opportunity. It had some great bits and even better lines, but overall I don't feel the concept was given enough foundation to hold up with what was there. Also it felt like they shoehorned in some more sentimental stuff. I just didn't feel like the episode could decide which way to go so it didn't really satisfy.

Can't comment on what;s to come as I never watch the teasers for the next episode.

[Gaz]

I thought the hotel was fairly good, with some proper misery for the Doctor and Amy finally having to stop being so soppy. And I think it finally cemented Rory as the better character of the two.

As for them not looking for their daughter anymore, I think there's a realisation now that if they got her back then everything that's happened will unravel but it's been cunningly written with the Mels character that even though they didn't bring her up they still got to see her grow up. I am still intrigued as to how it will all tie up though. And in the meantime, cybermen!

[Joinee Simitebrong]

I thought the hotel episode was good but again felt it could have/should have been better. Certainly not the worst in this bizarrely hit and miss series.

People keep mentioning about Rory and Amy and the time spent of them as characters... Am I the only one who couldn't give a monkeys about their stories? I simply get totally bored when it's focused on them. They're dull. And I don't care for the object of trying to look into how it feels for a normal person to be taken out of their normal life and all the emotions/guilt that may provoke in a zzzzzzzz what? is The Doctor doing something fun or exciting yet?!

*runs for cover*

[Hebba Homemaker]

I loved it!

[Gaz]

Best one of this series.

[Joinee Simitebrong]

One of the best, certainly

(The Doctor's Wife takes that title for me)

But so happy the show's back on form again

[Joinee McD]

I had heard it was good... and yet again I was sorely disappointed. I honestly do not understand what you guys are enjoying so much about these episodes! Perhaps iPlayer is showing us different things?! Even if I were to agree with it being the best of the series so far, frankly that's not saying a lot at all.

Good gracious this series has been awful in my opinion! Who is writing this stuff?! Where did all this sentimental nonsense come from? Talk about filler. If you ignore the last 2 minutes of the episode, i.e. the part that had nothing whatsoever to do with the episode itself, it was at best utterly average.

Spoiler

He destroyed the Cybermen with LOVE?! What a massive load of arse... if I wanted stuff like that I'd stick Harry Potter on.

When I compare this series to the last, and to so so so many of the later Tennant episodes... well there simply isn't any comparison in my opinion. The series needs to seriously buck up its ideas if you ask me.

[Chez]

Joinee McD, on 26 September 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

I had heard it was good... and yet again I was sorely disappointed. I honestly do not understand what you guys are enjoying so much about these episodes! Perhaps iPlayer is showing us different things?! Even if I were to agree with it being the best of the series so far, frankly that's not saying a lot at all.

Good gracious this series has been awful in my opinion! Who is writing this stuff?! Where did all this sentimental nonsense come from? Talk about filler. If you ignore the last 2 minutes of the episode, i.e. the part that had nothing whatsoever to do with the episode itself, it was at best utterly average.

Spoiler

He destroyed the Cybermen with LOVE?! What a massive load of arse... if I wanted stuff like that I'd stick Harry Potter on.

Agree with this entirely, after reading how great people thought it was I was really excited. It's basically a partially recycled story from previous series... ooh bad monsters are living in a department store.. hang on didn't that happen to Rose when Mr Ecclestone was around?

Next weeks does look good though and as I've invested so much time into this series I'm going to keep on with it...

[Gold Joinee Spaca-Sweeney(GA)]

I think you are all forgetting possibly the most awesome character of all time,... STORMAGEDDON!

[HJCotW Spacemonkey]

Laura loved it. I thought it was utter bobbins.

As usual in our house, I'm right.

MoT
HJCotW

[Silver Joinee Rachel]

I quite enjoyed the episode! I really quite like Craig's character - not as in "I want to see him as an assistant" way, but it was nice to see him pop up again.

But that said...

Joinee McD, on 26 September 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

Talk about filler. If you ignore the last 2 minutes of the episode, i.e. the part that had nothing whatsoever to do with the episode itself, it was at best utterly average.

My goodness. Those last two minutes. Talk about afterthought! They could have been the trailer for another tv show altogether for the amount of continuity it had with this week’s episode. What a horrible way to end!

... although it does leave me excited about next week

[Gaz]

Joinee McD, on 26 September 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

When I compare this series to the last, and to so so so many of the later Tennant episodes... well there simply isn't any comparison in my opinion. The series needs to seriously buck up its ideas if you ask me.

But the later Tennant episodes were almost all awful kitchen sinkism as RTD went for broke and made things increasingly more preposterous. The end of series nonsense with the Daleks stealing planets and a massive, massive waste of Davros - probably done because RTD admits hating the character - was ridiculous (as was having about 8 companions and 3 doctors), the steam-powered giant cyberman xmas special (with yet ANOTHER doctor) was diabolically bad, the one with the water creatures on Mars actually had the Doctor turn into a massive, unlikeable arse by the end of it, and then the end of Tennant's run was basically a 3-hour show-off session for the producer with John Simm and Timothy Dalton both wasted on a plot that seemed to revolve around throwing a special diamond into space. The only high spots were Bernard Cribbins and a massive sense of relief when Matt Smith appeared and you knew RTDs run was over.

I find it interesting that people are really split on this season despite some corking episodes, but there's no WAY anything has been remotely as bad as the guy who turned into a giant wasp, or this leftover from Rentaghost:

[HJCotW Spacemonkey]

Don't forget Doctor Who And The Scribble Monster!

MoT
HJCotW

[Mr Phil]

I was disappointed with the Cybermen episode. Some good bits, but it felt like they just wanted another episode with James Corden and crowbarred in a story around it. The two things that made it a bit rubbish were:

a. The cybermen being destroyed by love; and
b. Why the HELL were they converting Corden by simply putting a metal suit on him? What happened to cutting his brain out of his body?

Oh no, wait, that would have made him unsaveable.

[Gaz]

Mr Phil (GA), on 29 September 2011 - 08:23 AM, said:

I was disappointed with the Cybermen episode. Some good bits, but it felt like they just wanted another episode with James Corden and crowbarred in a story around it. The two things that made it a bit rubbish were:

a. The cybermen being destroyed by love; and
b. Why the HELL were they converting Corden by simply putting a metal suit on him? What happened to cutting his brain out of his body?

Oh no, wait, that would have made him unsaveable.

a. I don't get the "they were destroyed by love" thing when in the actual episode the Doctor explained it was feedback from emotions etc and stops explaining because it's overly complex - destroyed by love is just the way he described it to James Corden's character.
b. The cutting was coming next - it's been established for a while that for the sake of speed and in circumstances where materials are in short supply, cybermen will partially convert people temporarily with external parts and fully convert them later

[Lethal Biddle]

So what does anyone think about another Doctor Who movie?

Obviously there's no information to be had yet other than that it's a plan. But thoughts? Theories?
Personally I think it could be good if they try & tie it into the series, i.e: Matt Smith (or whoever may take over) plays the Doctor. They could go different directions with companions, tone etc. But the canon is so vaste that it would be reckless not to draw on it & the potential for fan backlash if it's a standalone are huge.
I'm not opposed to the idea yet though.

This post has been edited by Lethal Biddle: 15 November 2011 - 10:02 AM

[Hebba Homemaker]

Personally not a fan of tv to movie ideas I'd rather they just made better episodes last series was rather disappointing especially now they've tied the doctor to these characters (Amy Rory river song) for the foreseeable future.

[PJ Stevie G]

Quote

"Russell T Davies and then Steven Moffat have done their own transformations, which were fantastic, but we have to put that aside and start from scratch,"

It's that last bit that worries me. I don't want another 'origins' film - sick and tired of them in superhero movies already, while a whole new Doctor Who timeline would just be ridiculous.

But hey, there's no actual information on the thing yet, so it might end up different.

[Gaz]

Ideal scenario: get Paul McGann back for another crack at it and make it a Time War epic

Worst case scenario: Jim Carrey in a curly wig and long, sponsorship-covered scarf doing a reimagining of Genesis of the Daleks, with Ben Kingsley as Davros and a pink female Dalek who the Doctor (now known as "Doc") seduces to save the day. Also, The Tardis is now a talking sports car and the sonci screwdriver is a baseball bat.

[Mr Phil]

I'm fine with whatever they do, as long as they animate it out of cheese.

[Neil Diamond]

Caption competition?

[Gaz]

"Probably just as well we didn't try this with a Dalek..."

[PJ Wopunga (GA)]

There's a Season 7 trailer on the website now http://www.bbc.co.uk..._the_New_Series

Also - thoughts on the new companion? I have never heard of her. Still gutted we're going to be losing Rory

[Gaz]

Trailer looks fun - hopefully this season will be a bit less "heavy"

[Mr Phil]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh...

[GJ Dandy David]

PJ Wopunga (GA), on 28 March 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

There's a Season 7 trailer on the website now http://www.bbc.co.uk..._the_New_Series

Also - thoughts on the new companion? I have never heard of her. Still gutted we're going to be losing Rory

She was a tolerably good actress in Emmerdale.
Apparently Amy's finale is going to involve

Spoiler

the weeping angels again and my main problem with this (and it's one of the reasons that Supernatural got rubbish too when it decided to take on the theme of a divine apocalyptical war between heaven and hell) is that when you use a villain that's just too big and too powerful any victory over them can only be partial or unsatisfying. Someone somewhere thought it was a good idea to create these creatures that are as old as time and all powerful and feed off of fear and whatever the heck else they do - I'd argue that you just can't write for that without ending the show or providing audiences with an utterly crap ending.

(Edited for truly awful grammar)

This post has been edited by GJ Dandy David: 30 March 2012 - 12:31 PM